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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jun 24, 2011 9:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Cincinnati 6-24-85

I wish I could have been peaking about 5' before Iko. But then, judging from my sober state now, why do I feel a bit of the trip in my bones as I listen to this? There is a sound and an edge to this show that is only replicated a few other times. All of them in '85. Several on this tour.
It's so thick that you could rip off chunks.
Yes, trippy as heaven or hell, quite edgy, and one All-Time show. (Is that wretching I hear in the back? You, 100 times, 'This show is an All Timer!' On my desk after you listen to the whole show. Twice.)
I am exhausted after listening to this show. In a good way. A really good way. Like walking out after a great show and you are walking in that wondrous dreamscape. This is a Bobby show, but Jerry, Brent, BK, Micky are there. Lots of dancing around the One. Where's Phil? He shows up once in a while. Maybe he was on Heineken duty. Bobby is manic. The prophet from the burning shore indeed. He does things on this night that he never did again. This is the closest I have heard him play dueling guitars with Garcia for the whole show! And he wins sometimes.

Set 1

Alabama Getaway ->
Greatest Story Ever Told
They Love Each Other
New Minglewood Blues
Tennessee Jed
My Brother Esau
Loser
Let It Grow

From Alabama through, it's fun. Closest to not being so is Loser. Maybe Bobby and Healy, who had a so-so night w/ his tricks, threw Jerry off. Bobby proceeds to raffle off they rhythm section as Jerry is beginning the song. Also, Healy throws in space sound, kinda like Asteroids in the day @ 1:36. WTF? Let it Grow is a scorcher and pick of the set. Longest song of the night. Esau and GSET are place and show respectively.

Set 2

Iko Iko ->
Samson And Delilah ->
He's Gone ->
Smokestack Lightnin' ->
Cryptical Envelopment ->
Drums ->
Space ->
The Other One tease
Comes A Time ->
The Other One ->
Cryptical Envelopment ->
Wharf Rat ->
Around And Around ->
Good Lovin'

Encore
US Blues

This set reminds me of angry sex. A playful beginning and then Here we go! You singing to me? Hot, sweaty, sticky and focused. I have listened to this set maybe more then any other. I received it so long ago and it's transportation music. (Just like another TDIH, hint, hint)
Bobby takes a verse in Iko for the only time. Listen to Brent in here. You wouldn't notice too much if you didn't pay attention, but he is right there to fill or nudge at the right times. Where is Healy @ 7:30 w/ Garcia's mike? Bad Healy. Too many mistakes this night that are too boring to recount, but he has his moments of redemption.
Samson is a beast. Just a reminder that this needs to played Loud. What an into! When it hits @:42 it's a Maxell guy in the chair moment. If the first set was good times, we are having great times now. Finger snapping, bopping along GD! Yeah! One of my fav. Samson's. Bobby. Bobby. Bobby.
And then things turn dark in tone. O.K. kiddies, you had two songs to dance to. He's Gone is mournful. Listen for Bobby in this one. What a tone and 'aint backing down. Everyone is where they are supposed to be. A beautiful and short version. Because around 7:30 Smokestack begins to slither into the song.
And what a Smokestack! O.K. gauntlet thrown down. This is the Best Bobby Smokestack bar none. An incredible intro, same with vocals. Conjuring the voodoo.
Why did they bring back Cryptical? The intro is 1:48, the outro :41. Shortest new song they could revive? I can understand him not wanting to sing it, but it's a great song to play.
Drums would have me bopping but nothing beyond the pale.
That can not be said of Insectiod Space, which begins the last two minutes of Drums. You know drums is over by the screaming.
Space we pass by 98% (a guess) of the time. I wouldn't miss this one. Unless you have just taken a bunch of hallucinogens and are having a bad time of it. Dark and creepy with many a TOO tease, a train whistle, and mooing cows. And the insects. All through, Jerry provides a quiet little place, so if you get scared you can run to Jerry. When Phil comes back it's full on TOO teasing and then,
Jerry drops in one of the most beautiful Comes A Time. This song is one that is better, later. This is a CAT for Jerry freaks like Arb. and Ring. As Grisman said (in general about Garcia), there is a high emotional content to this song. His solo is most beautiful and nestles into your heart or rips it out. "Only love can feel."
Remember the loud reminder? Well, we are into TOO territory. It suffers a bit from not having the momentum of Space, but recovers quickly. Hey, there's Phil! It takes 1:30 for them to find each other and then here we go! Short, intense and a lead into Jerry's biggie of the night.
This Wharf Rat is titanic. I don't care about flaws or whatever. The band gives its all for this song as you can tell by how tired they sound at the end of the set. Jerry's tone again starts out weary, but filled w/ desperation. Those little spoken words, dropped so quietly. I can't recall , "some other fuckers crime", sounding so clear. Then the gospel portion is beautiful. Not much jamming here, but what there is, fits right in. Bobby trying to go at it with Garcia at the end.
R & R- Is surprisingly decent. Maybe even good. Well, lets not get crazy. Brent finally takes his first (and short) solo of the night.
GLove- Tired, tired GD. Not a song I like anyways. An interesting rap by Bobby @ 5:08. Prescient? Or the more things change, the more they stay the same?
USB Rocks! Jerry and Bobby go at it again one more time.

edit- I love this quote from Evan S. Hunt, "What a hideously sick and raunchy version of USB this is. Sloppy> mistakes> galore> ignore> brilliance. All that change all that fast. A presence that follows you around and gives you chase to rhythm." 1985 in a nutshell.

What a tremendous performance. Bravo! I can write no 'mo. Have fun.

I used Bob Harrell's source. Testing on GSET and Samson. There are other sources, and it's not clear cut, so if you don't like one, try another.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1985-06-24.sbd.harrell.8198.shnf

All sources,

http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%22Grateful+Dead%22+AND+date%3A1985-06-24*

Tomorrow we will still be in Ohio, @ the Blossom Music Center. See you then!

This post was modified by micah6vs8 on 2011-06-24 16:40:33

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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: Jun 24, 2011 10:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cincinnati 6-24-85

Great review, listening now - there is s wicked tone to Jerry's guitar all night beginning with a great Alabama>Greatest Story, one of my favorite show opening pairs - and a nice Iko>Samson. I went to several of the east coast shows that summer and was not overly blown away but this show is special and I wish now I made the long drive on the I-80 from New Jersey. Seem to recall something about having a job to go to all - wow! How did we ever manage to tour and stay employed at the same time? Maybe we didn't!!!

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Poster: vapors Date: Jun 24, 2011 5:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cincinnati 6-24-85

Cryptical during it’s short revival didn’t hold a candle to any version from back in its day, when they would wail away at the end like nobody’s business, but damn it was fine to be here and to hear those opening notes, which we had been anticipating since leaving Berkeley.

Maybe it didn’t always have to be about musical perfection – sometimes things were just fun and novel, and made you smile and dance as it happened...

This post was modified by vapors on 2011-06-25 00:02:35

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Poster: Jack o' Roses Date: Jun 24, 2011 11:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cincinnati 6-24-85

You Had To Be There! There were loose speakers strung along above the stage, &, in Space, the sound ran from one speaker stack along the top of the stage to the other stack. Sorta like the quad space effects of Healy's later efforts (Cap Center '88 comes to mind).

ES Hunt's right on for the US Blues- may be my favorite version, zits & all.

Jerry in red (not needing the black shirt to hide the soot stains during that clean&sober-ish time?).

River (bend) behind the stage. Happy hippy ..ippy times.

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Poster: derf315 Date: Jun 24, 2011 12:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cincinnati 6-24-85

Bobby's guitar is kinda high in the mix of Harrell tape.I like it! Two nice reviews here for an 80's show, what's going on here?

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Jun 24, 2011 2:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cincinnati 6-24-85

hahaha. While most here think the late sixties are the cats meow, and anything post 79 is awful, there are still many of us who appreciate (and in some right are infatuated with) the 80s. Anyone who thinks music played in the 80s, or that the dead couldnt do IT in the 80s, is delusional or bias. Take your pick.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jun 24, 2011 7:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cincinnati 6-24-85

Wonderful review of an epic show. To add to the intensity of the music (or helping to inspire it), the weather was wild ... it all felt like it worked together -- the band playing the weather, or the weather joining the band. I don't know if others are the same, but I find I'm not much of a judge of shows I was at; it's hard to hear them objectively. This was/is a great one, though. The Cryptical made it The Iconic Show; it's pretty rough when you hear it now, but what an amazing moment, to actually hear a Cryptical start!

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jun 24, 2011 9:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cincinnati 6-24-85

I wrote a review of this fine show a while back as part of my Ohio project.

06-24-85 - River Bend Music Center, Cincinnati, Oh
1: Alabama> Greatest, TLEO, Minglewood, Tennessee Jed, Esau, Loser, Let It Grow
2: Iko Iko> Samson> He's Gone> Smokestack> Cryptical> Drumz> Comes a Time> Other One> Cryptical> Wharf Rat> Around> Good Lovin E: U. S. Blues

Source: http://www.archive.org/details/gd85-06-24.sbd.miller.25315.sbeok.shnf

I tell you, you just have to love these summer ’85 shows – jumping from one beautiful outdoor venue to another. And so many good ones from that tour! Alpine! The Greek! Merriweather! And these Ohio shows are no slouches either—like the others, they’re filled with nice little surprises like Comes a Time, Cryptical, and even super-rarities like Day Tripper!

Pretty nice ‘Bama Getaway>GSET to start things off. Jerry’s vocals are loud and clear on Alabama, with nice licks peppered throughout both tunes. TLEO is a welcome selection in the three-hole, though Jerry butchers the vocals in the second verse. If you can get past that, there is some decent musicianship on display here, but not as tight as the opening numbers. Bob says “Bluegrass phillies” during Minglewood. I’m guessing that’s because River Bend is just across the river from Kentucky. Jerry’s second solo (following Bob) is pretty amped up and fun, slicing and dicing his way to the “T for Texas” verse – “It’s T right here in Cincinnati...” Following T-Jed, Bob steps up the microphone and announces that they’ll be holding a raffle at the break, and that the winner “gets to hold the rhythm section hostage.” Funny stuff. Loser is only so-so, but not bad. Jerry sounds like he’s giving it his all though. By the time they get to Let it Grow it sounds like Jerry is ready to explode. Not a great performance technically, but spirited.

A somewhat subdued Iko starts what looks on paper to be one of those magical ’85 second sets. Samson is a real smoker, and you can sense Jerry really starting to open up during the jam, setting up a nice He’s Gone. The execution is decent and the Gone jam into a brief Smokestack and then on into Cryptical must have left the less sober members of the audience a little confused by the times drums came around. Points for creativity in the pre-drums.

This show has second break-out versions of both Cryptical and Comes a Time (both were brought out of retirement – in separate shows – earlier in the month at the Greek). These versions are probably better, especially Comes a Time, which segues into a nice spicy Other One and then back into Cryptical to complete the “That’s it for..” suite. As with many 80’s shows, the brief forays into old material sound a little rough in spots (see Cryptical) but Comes a Time> Other One is a true show-stopper and the unrivaled highlight of this show. The entire post-space shines at this show, including a poignant Wharf Rat – but all Jerry’s ballads were poignant in ’85, no? Still, the double-shot, post-space Jerry ballads of Comes a Time and Wharf are super-sweet. Healy’s board work is a little heavy-handed but occasionally brilliant.

Highlights: Comes a Time> Other One> Cryptical> Wharf

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jun 24, 2011 3:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cincinnati 6-24-85

s&r- could you do me a favor and post your review of 6-25-85, after I post mine? I want to see what you thought. Many similarities w/ 6-24. Thanks.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Jun 24, 2011 8:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cincinnati 6-24-85

this one of those shows that i cant figure out why the early era dead only people dont get it !!!! this is classic grateful dead.... either that i imagined it was really that good when i was there!!!!

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Jun 25, 2011 4:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cincinnati 6-24-85

There is nothing to get,it is horrible,sloppy,mistake filled garbage played by people going through the motions.The vocals are painful, Smokestack and Cryptical are so bad as to be unprofessional,and with Healy's manipulations it becomes somewhat comical.How this pathetic performance could be compared to the band in their prime is puzzling.
I'm not looking to pick a fight with anyone who disagrees with my feelings on this,I am neither delusional nor biased,I understand that the band was never perfect,but to compare the post-hiatus version of the band to the earlier years seems pointless.I can't see how anyone could think that anything they played post 74' could rival say,7/18/72,12/6/73 or 9/18/74 as just a few examples,but I have come to learn that debating it is a genuine waste of time.


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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jun 25, 2011 4:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cincinnati 6-24-85

I tried listening to this show and couldnt stick with it. After checking out several different tracks, I honestly could not find a single passage that I felt was compelling. I attended a number of shows from this tour (none of which I consider to be any better than mediocre at best) and I cant imagine how anyone can think this is good music...

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jun 25, 2011 5:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cincinnati 6-24-85

So CH, who gets to pick the music on the fishing trip?

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jun 25, 2011 7:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cincinnati 6-24-85

I think we should all invite ourselves onto that fishing trip. Only it should be near Tidewater's place in Thailand, so I can go too, and so there won't be any worries about violating anti-pollution ordinances when folks start shouting and tossing CDs into the ocean.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jun 25, 2011 6:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cincinnati 6-24-85

Serius channel 23 :)

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Poster: vapors Date: Jun 25, 2011 6:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cincinnati 6-24-85

It is impossible for me to dismiss these shows, as this summer is one mighty fine memory for me. Oddly enough, we can’t say ‘you just had to be there, man!’ to validate the musicianship. I know some of the things I like the best about it are things many dislike the most.
Either way Jerry’s guitar is always what comes through in the end for me.
I am delving deeper by the day into what is here, keep on growing my knowing.
But I sure hope the day doesn’t come when I don’t enjoy revisiting ‘my’ shows.
I am listening to Blossom for the third time today, and still loving it!
:)

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jun 25, 2011 7:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cincinnati 6-24-85

That darned Blossom burned my hand. Put it on last night while cooking and was enjoying it so much I got distracted and, splash! Nasty burn. Bad bad '85.

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Poster: vapors Date: Jun 26, 2011 4:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cincinnati 6-24-85

Ouch. Hope it is ok, and if you are continuing on to SPAC please be more careful !